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The Removal of Third Person View

    • 134 posts
    September 5, 2017 9:06 AM PDT

     - The Removal of Third Person View Thread -

    I will provide some points here to prove how harmful 3rd person view is to Warmerise and how it makes the gameplay revolve around it. You can argue with me if you want, however I'd prefer if all replies here stayed civil instead of spilling toxic sewage all over the thread.

     

    Why is 3rd person view harmful to the game?

    In Warmerise, third person view allows you to see through solid objects, which means that certain spots let you camp while safely surveying the surroundings. It also plays a role in the double-shooting glitch, I won't specify details about it because we don't need more people using it.

     

    Why is this bad?

    It means that players who refuse to use 3rd person view (preference, not willing to use glitches) are essentially handicapped against users who use 3rd person view. Players who never use 3rd person are always in a major disadvantage, because other players can see them from a safe spot.

    Also, third person view allows you to safely peek corners without exposing yourself at all - I am aware that this is present in other videogames, but in Warmerise, lack of regenerating health means that third person view users can safely peek and chip away other players' permanent health - slowly killing them - whilst staying completely safe.

     

    Players mustn't be forced to use a certain setting just to be able to compete against players using it.

     

    Does 3rd person view impact competitive play?

    Of course it does, imagine a clan war held between two equally good clans.

    Both have amazing players with great aim and gamesense, however there is one difference between them

    - one of the clans does not use 3rd person due to personal preference.

    As you've most probably guessed, the clan not using 3rd person view would suffer a defeat because the other clan used third person view to their advantage, peeking corners and viewing the entire map through a wall.

     

    Third person view is nowadays a necessity in higher level gameplay, due to how often it is abused, this has been really evident during the recent Tournament, as during the matches you could see most players using third person view to peek through walls.

     

    What can be done about it?

    I see only 2 possible solutions to this.

    1. Remove 3rd person view from Warmerise.

    The game was doing perfectly fine without it, it's addition just caused more problems.

    2. Fix 3rd person view in some way to make it *slightly* more fair.

    For example, unallow the camera to clip through objects, meaning that it couldn't be used to view the majority of the map through a wall. However, peeking from cover would still be present.

     

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    Thanks for taking your time to read this thread, I appreciate all feedback, both positive - and negative.

    Let's see if we can make a change once again (Jet collisions..)

    ~ Seth/BitSniping


    This post was edited by Seth at September 5, 2017 11:07 AM PDT
    • 55 posts
    September 5, 2017 9:43 AM PDT
    Any player not using third person is instantly sacrificing huge amounts of information on the enemy's position. Personally, I don't see a way to implement a third person camera and not have it be a feature you're required to use to be competitive, so my vote is to remove it.
    • 11 posts
    September 5, 2017 10:19 AM PDT

    Personally, I don't enjoy playing Warmerise on the first person mode. Although the third person mode does give an advantage, I don't think it should be removed. The glitch where you can see through walls using it needs to be fixed though.

    • 76 posts
    September 5, 2017 11:19 AM PDT

    I also agree that 3rd person view is a disability to warmerise, for all the reason you've mentioned above I also agree with the removal of third person view, i've used it sometimes in order to not be in a disavantage with others (yup, im that kind of garbage :T ) and a shout out to all the players that use 3rd person view, it could help you to get some good scores and win battles (take 3rd person view in the tournament for example) but its not in the best interest for the game


    This post was edited by Manager at September 5, 2017 11:19 AM PDT
    • 3 posts
    September 8, 2017 9:30 AM PDT

    it explains a lot know

  • Max
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    • 96 posts
    September 8, 2017 4:26 PM PDT

    Third person mode has been slightly changed in WebGL version.
    Check screenshots below to see the difference:

    Web Player: http://vvcap.com/0voGRuNEF6e
    WebGL: http://vvcap.com/vy0FLHuNHQx

    As you can see in WebGL the view is slightly lower and closer to the center which reduces visibility.
    Also the issue with camera clipping through the walls is still there, but it will be fixed in the next update.

    I'm currently waiting for Unity to fix the bug with sliders, after that WebGL version will completely replace the Web Player.
    NOTE: WebPlayer version will still be playable, there will be a link to switch back


    This post was edited by Max at September 8, 2017 4:28 PM PDT
    • 46 posts
    September 16, 2017 4:49 PM PDT

    Max said:

    Third person mode has been slightly changed in WebGL version.
    Check screenshots below to see the difference:

    Web Player: http://vvcap.com/0voGRuNEF6e
    WebGL: http://vvcap.com/vy0FLHuNHQx

    As you can see in WebGL the view is slightly lower and closer to the center which reduces visibility.
    Also the issue with camera clipping through the walls is still there, but it will be fixed in the next update.

    I'm currently waiting for Unity to fix the bug with sliders, after that WebGL version will completely replace the Web Player.
    NOTE: WebPlayer version will still be playable, there will be a link to switch back

    But where is this WebG version?

    • 3 posts
    September 18, 2017 2:11 PM PDT

    chrome (watch the tab below, "try webgl")

    • 11 posts
    September 18, 2017 5:31 PM PDT
    u guys really wanna kill warmerise
    • 55 posts
    September 18, 2017 7:38 PM PDT
    I want warmerise to be built on a technology that people can play without needing to install Firefox ESR or palemoon. WebGL isn't quite ready to be the only version, but the sooner it's ready, the better the game is for everyone.

    Unless you're talking about third person, in which case I will probably stop playing if it continues to be exploitable.
    This post was edited by chronospectrum at September 18, 2017 7:39 PM PDT
    • 53 posts
    September 20, 2017 5:35 AM PDT

    +1 remove it.